Edit: I botched this because the above (automated) quote isn’t what I’m referring to below! I should have quoted this first:

[Added in edit] SC: “Youre feeling a little provoked and have built and fortified yourself a logic bunker.”

Er, why are you telling me how I feel? I had interpreted your comments on my reply to Epiphany Jordan as endorsing the idea that "telling people how they feel" is not a good move.

Maybe I misunderstood.

Edit: SC has since corrected her text to a version that I think is consistent with her stance elsewhere, so the above is no longer relevant: I leave it only for historical accuracy because the comments it prompted are still there.

Edit: At this point there was supposed to be a topic switch! Confusing, much? And the auto-quote at the top, which seemed like it made sense above but actually was intended to apply here, wasn’t even the quote I really intended to use here. I just messed up and didn’t quote the relevant passage to my main point.

[Added in edit] SC: “Emotional ambivalence is a huge part of why I women feel hated by men, because you’re right…you boys are a mess.”

It is not fair to conflate the mess that you get from averaging across individuals with very different personalities with the mess that individual people are. The kind of self-sabotaging behavior that the "Men" entity has would generally be considered some sort of mental illness or executive function disorder, because completely opposite feelings are acted upon at the same time. This is not akin to individually held multifaceted feelings wherein one might love some aspects of a person or category of people and hate other ones. That too can be messy, but part of the point of executive function is to adjudicate between such things and act in a coherent goal-directed fashion rather than chaotically.

There are a fair number of men whose executive function leaves a good deal to be desired, but again, individual variation is the key to understanding this, not a dichotomy between men and women. If you want to ask whether it is men or women who behave more consistently as if they are acting in accord with a monovalent emotional stance, men will usually say it's men and women are (comparatively) a mess, and women will usually say it's women and men are (comparatively) a mess. Not sure what to do with that (unless I'm actually wrong about the observation) except that to note that apparently the privileged information and/or experience one gets from being a woman tends to help one relate to women's goals and motivations than to men's; and vice versa. That it is this way is not a terribly big surprise, but the extent to which it seems to be the case may be unexpected.

Anyway, there's no problem with hanging. In some form the topic has been around at least as long as recorded history.

Edit: so, if you read a reply from SC from prior to these edits, you know why it (1) was a totally reasonable thing to say and (2) wasn’t a reply to what I meant and (3) it’s my fault for not being precise.