I'm not defending the norms. I'm pointing out the boneheaded strategy that keeps being used while supposedly trying to change norms.

I never said that men shouldn't try to change the norms of masculinity. Go look! I only said what I meant. You assumed a lot of things that I didn't say, but if you check what I actually said, I never said that.

What I said was that the strategy is poor. It's so bad that if you wanted to not solve the problem, but rather exacerbate it while maintaining plausible deniability, this would be a good strategy to use.

Suppose someone's in the "Man Box". They believe in being a "real man", in being strong, solving problems with aggression, boasting to the guys about their sexual conquests, not showing emotion...but they're actually highly fragile to attacks on ego and reputation. Okay, now the best way to coax them out of this has got to put them in a box with other men like them. Then, attack the whole boxed group, by saying they're a problem. Attack their egos by saying they suffer from depression and anxiety. Throw in a few jabs like "adapt or go extinct". Obviously, they're all going to take the criticism to heart, weep profusely, and walk out of the box, right? Or are they going to rally together around Andrew Tate to fight off this pathetic attempt to take them down? And some other men who aren't even in that box (but kinda feel they actually are, because they're men and it's the "man box"...box for men, right?...so...I mean...how is it not them too?) will go, "Whoa, bro, that's harsh...I've got your back, man."

What do you think is liable to happen?